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Fred's avatar

Thank you.

I also recommend that robotaxi companies inform customers of key risks they expose themselves to if they agree to accept the terms of service, before they can merely click through TOS acceptance. For example, Zoox should inform users up front that the vehicles are not FMVSS compliant (as stated in the TOS), that they themselves (not Zoox) are responsible for safety when exiting the vehicle, and that all robotaxi providers should inform customers that the price of a roboride includes giving up their rights to sue for damages or participate in class action suits against the company, FOREVER, before they are given the option to accept the terms of service. Actions that might be legal, like a single click to accept terms of service that are never read by intent and design of the user interface, don’t always build trust and set up the companies for really bad press when something terrible happens. Just ask Cruise.

Brad Templeton's avatar

I've disagreed with you before Phil but this one is off the charts. Companies like Waymo have had independent auditors report one liability incident per 2.3M miles, which is much better than the human record. Just what bar do you want to hold them to? Even at that level, you are going to get incidents. You are not going to get perfection. Ever. You're going to get incidents which look stupid in the press, incidents which a human wouldn't have done. That's because these are not humans, their error patterns will not match humans. Unless you can prove their premise of being able to be safer wrong (and it's not wrong, so you can't prove that) you hold them to a standard that is either impossible or greatly delays the deployment of the future's large, scaled fleets with high safety performance which do greatly reduce risk on the roads. Because if you delay this, you don't simply remove the risk of badly behaving robots, you replace it with the well known and much higher risk of the full range of humans, from drunks to professionals. Without question you cause a major, major increase of risk on our roads. That can't possibly be your goal, and yet it is what you seem to demand.

So what standard do you hold them to? It can't be perfection. It's unlikely it can even be "never make a mistake a human would not." (Even humans can't promise they won't make unusual mistakes that other humans don't make.) So what is it? And then do the math. Consider the delay you are asking for. Calculate the additional road risk in the future, when a safe fleet is deployed at scale. Calculate the risk you deem too much from tiny fleets today that might not meet your bar. Tell us the result of this calculation, any way you want to quantify the risk.

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