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Thanks, Phil.

My suggestion is that we (you, somebody) should develop a straw man UL 4600 audit schedule. There is currently a lot of uncertainty as to the schedule and resources needed to complete a review. Such a schedule in my experience promotes industry acceptance, allowing industry to plan and apply resources as needed. For example, assuming that the first day is day zero, such a schedule might include:

Day -14: one day on site meeting to introduce audit team leaders, audit team membership and qualifications, discuss logistics (meeting room, needed computer and network resources, parking, passes, lunch payment and preferences,, etc.) refresher on pass/fail criteria, expectations for developer expert participation, process for closing liens on open items at conclusion of on-site meeting if any, process for appeal of adverse audit team decisions, allowable audit team expenses, etc.

Day -0: Audit team arrival on site, confirmation of logistics arrangements.

Day 1 0900 - 1030:Introductions, orientation by audit team, orientation by developer leadership

1030 - 1300 section A-B

1330 - 1600 Section C-D

1600 - 1630 Internal audit team summary preparation

1630 - 1730 Review results with developer, enumeration of closed items, liens on open items.

Day 2-9, 0800 - 0815: Opening remarks by Audit lead

0815 - 0830: Opening remarks by Developer Lead

0830 - 1630: Safety Case presentations

1630 - 1700: Status review and open item/lien identification

Day 10 0800

1300 - 1645: Presentation of results to developer team, identification of open items and liens, developer appeal of adverse determinations, residual process to delivery of compliance certification

1645-1700 Final remarks and adjournment.

This is only a brief sketch, and there is clearly more to be done, but there has got to be a way for developers seeking UL4600 certification, and companies desiring certification as UL 4600 auditors, to bound the scope and marshal necessary resources for a successful audit outcome. UL4600 audit process definition might be a prerequisite for industry acceptance, but in any case couldn't hurt. The process sketched above would be familiar to companies that have already had, for example, an ISO 9000 audit. It seems to me that the UL 4600 document alone is a fantastic framework for structuring the AV developer safety case, but absent widespread history of audits (there aren't any yet by companies documenting their competence) and we need to start somewhere) its (especially early)implementation may benefit from better definition of the corollary expected audit process and closure requirements.

I think that such a plan would alleviate apprehension about developer resources and schedule and their reluctance to engage with UL on UL4600 certification.

Day 9 0800-1200 Audit team review and synopsis, identification of open items and liens

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